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Happy Chirp · Ep 93 · Oct 25, 2022 · 1:22:20

Therapy, Parenting & Setting Boundaries Ft. Fatima Hussain

In tonight's very special episode, meet Fatima Hussain. We are talking about the reasons for conflict in joint family systems & how to deal with it?

with Fatima Hussain

10 min read

In this conversation I sit down with Fatima Hussain, a psychotherapist and counselor, and we dive straight into the tough stuff. Joint family dynamics, the pressure of rishtas, the invisible load of being the woman who moves into a new home, and what it really means to set boundaries. We talk about postpartum depression, parenting fears, and that quiet voice of log kya kahenge, what will people say, that can shape so many of our decisions. This is not a conversation about quick fixes. It’s about naming the hard parts honestly, and maybe finding a little more room to breathe.

Why joint family expectations land so hard on women

Fatima does not pretend this is simple. She tells me that while she never lived in a joint family herself, most of her clients are women, and the themes are painfully consistent. The transition into a shared household often comes with a very specific cultural script, where the woman is expected to win trust, make space for herself, and somehow not disappoint anyone. “The onus of making her space is on the woman who’s moving into the family, not the family who’s welcoming her,” she says. That landed hard for me. I remember my own early days of marriage, deliberately putting effort into building trust so that later I could gently push my boundaries. But I know that strategy does not work for everyone. Some families will never offer that room, no matter how much grace you extend first. Fatima’s point is that the family itself has a responsibility to accommodate the person walking in, because the transition is always bigger for her.

Then there is the boundary piece. She puts it plainly: “If you are feeling like you need to set boundaries, don’t say nothing and hope it gets easier. It’s very important to build boundaries from the start.” The discomfort of speaking up early, she explains, is far lighter than the resentment that piles up when you stay silent for years and then suddenly try to redraw the lines. I see this in so many women around me. They swallow their needs until they choke, and then the family acts shocked when they finally snap.

The saas-bahu dynamic isn’t just about one man

Here is something we don’t say out loud enough. The conflict between mother-in-law and daughter-in-law is rarely about personality clashes alone. Often, Fatima explains, the son becomes a kind of emotional replacement for the husband the mother never felt present with. “Sons kind of become step-in husbands to their mothers. They’re doing all of those emotional responsibilities of the father because the father is out earning.” So when a new woman enters the home, it can feel like a genuine threat, a deep loss of companionship and identity that most people never consciously name. And when a woman’s entire identity has been built around running that household and being the matriarch, the arrival of a younger woman with her own ways can feel destabilizing.

Fatima also brings up the small, disorienting things nobody warns you about. Do people eat at the table or in their rooms? Does everyone go greet the father first? To the family these are just habits, but to the newcomer every step is a riddle. “Something that small is just so disorienting and so confusing,” she says, and I felt that in my bones. There is also the reality of power. In many homes, the saas may not have had power in any other sphere of her life, so the domestic sphere becomes the only domain where she can exercise control. That does not excuse toxicity, but it helps to understand where it comes from. The system is bigger than any one person.

Rishta pressure and the wedding circus

We get a question from someone who is 23 and already feeling the weight of rishta pressure. Fatima is careful not to pathologize a cultural phenomenon, but she does call it what it is: a systemic obsession that can crush self-esteem. The wedding itself has become a performance. She laughs as she recalls something her own therapist once said to her, that weddings are like putting on a costume and sitting on a stage while guests who have been to three other weddings that week barely remember a thing. In your head it becomes this monumental event, but in the grand scheme, it is not the achievement we are told it is. “Shadi is great, companionship is great, but it’s definitely something that should be a choice instead of feeling like I have to get married or else.”

Her advice is to first figure out who you are, develop your own interests, because that is healthy for marriage too. And then, before committing, have the uncomfortable conversations. Finances, shared goals, what life five years down the line might look like. She also says something that feels a little subversive in our cultural context: it is important to have been in relationships before marriage. Not necessarily dramatic ones, but the kind of connections where you learn about yourself, what you want, what you don’t want, and how to communicate. Those soft skills do not magically appear on the wedding night. “People who’ve never been in a relationship of whatever sort till the point they get married, they feel very out of their depths because they just don’t know how to be in an intimate relationship.” That is real.

Attachment isn’t a diagnosis

Attachment styles take over social media every year, and Fatima wants us to slow down. They are not rigid boxes. There is only one pathological attachment style, called disorganized attachment; the rest are simply patterns we learned early on, and many of them can shift within the same relationship. “Just because you’re avoidant or anxiously attached, it’s just kind of saying, okay, this is where I am right now.” Two anxious people together might struggle, but sometimes complementary styles, one pursuer and one avoider, can actually bring each other into balance if there is awareness and effort. She shares that this is exactly the dynamic between her and her husband, and it is far more common than we think. Real security takes time. “It takes on average seven years in a marriage to get to a point where you can sense security.” Seven years. That number gave me so much relief.

We also touch on parenting and the anxiety of getting it right. I bring up the sleep training debate and the fear of spoiling my child. Fatima’s response is steadying. What matters most is not a specific method but consistency and safety. “The only thing that’s important for your child is for them to know that there is consistency.” And she adds something I needed to hear: “You will disappoint your child. In fact it’s really important to disappoint your child, because the sooner they learn that life is going to disappoint them, the easier relationships are.” This is not about neglect. It’s about letting them fall while they know you are there to catch them, so they learn resilience and self-forgiveness. We can’t raise them in a bubble of rainbows and roses; the real world will find them anyway.

How do you know it’s time for therapy?

Fatima walks me through the markers. When getting out of bed, driving yourself somewhere, or finishing a task suddenly feels impossible. When your emotions feel overwhelming or terrifying. When you find yourself zoning out, dissociating from the present moment because staying in it is too painful. Those are clues. But she also wants to bust the idea that therapy is just a space to vent and get validated. A bigger part of the work, she says, is taking accountability. “If a client is repeatedly coming in late, I’d be like, what’s happening? The way the client is relating to me is usually what they’re doing in their relationships outside.” That gentle mirroring, done with empathy, is where change actually begins. If therapy only tells you that you’re right and others are wrong, you miss the point.

Finding a therapist here is tricky, with long waiting lists and limited options. Her advice is to treat the first meeting as an interview. Ask them how they can help, what working with them looks like, whether they have training in the area you need. A therapist who claims to do everything is probably not doing any of it very well. And if a friend recommends someone, ask what specifically helped them. Not every approach fits every person. There is healing in all sorts of places, relationships, faith, movement, but if you’re looking for professional support, find someone who can meet you where you are.

Postpartum depression is not a personal failure

This part of the conversation feels deeply personal. I share my own fleeting but terrifying moment, standing in the exhaustion of new motherhood, when a dark thought surfaced and scared me. Fatima explains that postpartum depression can look like loss that has not been grieved, or anger turned inward. “Having a child is a life transition with a loss. It’s a massive loss of the life you had before you were a mother.” Your body, your sleep, your intimate relationship, your very sense of self, all recalibrated overnight. And when that frustration spikes and you think things you would never say out loud, it does not automatically mean you are broken or dangerous. But if the thoughts feel impulsive, if you have a history of acting impulsively, or if you simply cannot shake the darkness, you need to reach for help. Talk to your gynecologist, see a psychiatrist, find support. Suicidality is a spectrum, and talking about it is the most important thing you can do.

We also land on something I rarely hear discussed. Men experience postpartum depression too. Their experience often shows up as anger or withdrawal, spending more time with friends, pulling away from the very situation that needs them most. “It’s a loss for both parents,” Fatima says. And yet we still speak about fathers “helping out” with the baby, as if the default caregiver is the mother and everyone else is a bonus. That language has to change. I was lucky to have a partner who showed up fully, but I know so many women who have to fight for even basic partnership while their distress is minimized, because historically, women’s pain is simply not taken seriously.

Small steps, honest talks

This conversation left me with a lot to sit with. If you are in a joint family and every day feels like a negotiation of your own space, I hope you hear Fatima’s gentle reminder: you cannot change a system that existed long before you arrived, but you can remove yourself when things get heated, you can keep communicating with your partner, and you can protect your own peace in whatever small ways are available. If you are a new mother wondering whether the dark thoughts mean something is wrong with you, please reach out. You deserve support, not shame. None of this is about being a perfect daughter-in-law, a perfect wife, or a perfect mother. It is about knowing that healing is possible, and that even the smallest steps count.